I liked the suggestion made upthread to use the BF for practicing your new boundary-setting skills on. It was this one: https://captainawkward.com/2013/01/05/429-430-when-depression-is-contagious/. 03/25/2018 20:22 Subject: Re:My boyfriend stopped having sex with me. But I really think you deserve somebody who loves, respects, and likes you as you are right now. And the autocorrect version.). Thanks again. If you choose to ignore these signs, then some day you will find that things have gone beyond the point of no return. Give him some space to take care of his things and do what he needs to do before you start making demands on how much time he should be spending with you or expecting that your relationship will always come first every single time without question. And if its sunny then thats even better because I may have seasonal affective disorder (working on finding out with doctor) and the bright sunlight is just wonderful for my mood. You are more important than he is. theres a bigamist in my family tree too- except he faked his own death. He has completely stopped doing anything and we don't ever go out and if we do, he has to be forced basically. No is not an argument or a conversation, and youve said no to him his continuing to push, to decide for you how your body should be, how your life should be, is not okay. I said I agreed, and we broke things off by mutual agreement. The specific focus of the boyfriend on LWs food intake and physical exercise is major red flag. You will lose your boyfriend if you clutch him too tightly. Nothing is more guaranteed to ensure recovery than someone making you promise that youll never cut/pick/pull again, then berating you and doing the whole sadface But you pwomised! act, and acting like youd just murdered a dozen puppies. I like to have a logical reason for everything I do and feel, and I dont have a lot of other problem-solving methods. Well. Now youre healing and getting better, and he doesnt have the control he used to! (I dont think its as uncommon as people would have you think.). The awful thing is that our families groom us to be victims of whatever BS is their flavour of abuse, and then there we are, pre-groomed for whatever arseholes show up to take advantage. Some aspects of this sound very similar to my ex. Can I have a word of encouragement when you have a moment?, hell send me a You can do this or I believe in you when he gets the chance, which is all I really need. The point is, I actively try to be a better partner and to listen to what he wants, and not just do to him what I think he needs. Thanks for this post, Captain and LW. I am a very logically-minded person who has come to the conclusion that acting as though human beings are robots is a profoundly illogical thing to do. LW you got this. Youve clearly already worked out some helpful things. If you give him space, make yourself busy and happy. No matter a guys reason for not putting in an effort, it doesnt excuse his behavior. You can tell that he isnt as into you anymore because of the lack of physical contact between both of you. Maybe it's been a day, or days, or even weeks. As usual, the Captain gives excellent, clear scripts. Any way you do it, its all good. Period. I have to agree with this. Because if so, you need to skip all the subtler steps and skip straight to Therapist, these things my boyfriend does and says are making it worse, help! Right now. And I have never regretted that decision even once. I cant believe you just did that to me etc etc. And when he realized that I wasnt counting walking as exercising but really enjoyed it, he encouraged me to think of walking as exercise, brainstormed ways WITH ME to fit it into my day more, offered to walk with me, and asked me if I wanted a pedometer (note: he did not just buy me one), 4) when I felt like I couldnt do anything but lay on the couch and rewatch TV shows Id already seen, he sat next to me and read, or watched his own shows with headphones in and just quietly let me know he was there WITHOUT JUDGEMENT. I spent four years in a relationship like that, where nothing was ever good enough and taking steps to be a better Me was met with derision and controlling behaviours, and I know so much how hard it is. I know plenty of people who want to be helpful but dont really know how. Luckily, John Howell has already worded it beautifully , http://thoughtcatalog.com/john-w-howell/2013/05/a-narcissists-love-letter/. This means that if you purchase a product through the link, we get a small commission at no cost to you. But now he doesnt seem interested in getting to know them or spending time with them. Yes. If you hold the partner responsible for that anger and try to change them, its not going to help anyone. Also, if its pre-arranged (and do make sure she agrees, of course), its harder to back out than it is to decide not to go over to see somebody else. The situation seems chock full of red flags to me. For example, wed be driving home from a fun night out with friends and he would tell me all of the things I had said that *could have* been offensive to someone there. So if he has stopped watching everyone's stories, then he might be truly breaking free from social media. 2010 The Thought & Expression Company, LLC. Again, I dont know your boyfriend/relationship, but if he (and if you + your therapist are okay with this) is willing to come to therapy with you, it could be an option. I think a lot of it springs from an idea that partners make decisions together and tackle projects together, and theyve made the mistake of mis categorizing you as a project. Similarly, with the do more cleaning thing theres plenty of plausible deniability, because living with someone who doesnt pick up after themselves sucks. Sometimes you just have to watch somebody else hurting and not be able to do anything about it. Sometimes I clean, sometimes I knit, sometimes I go for a walk, but I feel like the fastest way to undermine him is to should at him. Hlepy people may accept correctionor they may not. Giving him space will also give you the opportunity to make him miss you and see how much value you add to his life. So every time he drove me to a surprise, which slowly morphed into _every fucking date_, I had all this tension and stress. You cant be shamed or cajoled into doing those things: it might work for a little while, but unless the changes are self-implemented in a healthy and manageable way, theyre not going to stick. Worst case scenario, it can lead to more blatant abuse (sounds like he already has manifested abusive tendencies with the name calling and the silent treatment). You've forgotten your dreams. You know that already because you are experiencing it first hand. Nevermind the fact that none of my friends were actually offended at all, he just couldnt admit that he had a problem with something I had said. I was going through a rough patch and he wanted to help me, and the only way he knew how was to be my cheerleader. The Teaser Trailer For Daisy Jones & The Six Just DroppedHeres Everything We Know So Far, Signs You Lack Self-Love (And How To Develop It), The Best Relationship Advice No One Ever Told You, 6 Things To Stop Doing If You Want To Find Love. Annnnnd, suddenly I understand why my husband is forever puttering about in the garden. Look again at your list the next day and revise it. I am an overly logical person. (snort) Sounds like Mr/Ms Relationships Take Work! had filtered that phrase through the English-to-Jerklanguage translator and was interpreting it along the lines of Relationships take work, so I can totally expect Commander Banana to work on not minding about the money zie owes me never being paid back, and am hence absolved of having to do any of the work of becoming the sort of person who actually pays loans back., I wrote in to CA a little under a year ago (letter #568) and was floored when I read your letter this morning, because there was a lot of the same The Helper and the One Who Needs Help dynamic in me and my fiancs relationship at the time when it came to dealing with my anxiety and driving-related PTSD (FWIW, things are a LOT better now, although it took a few tough conversations to get him to see how messed up some of the stuff he was doing was.). Not once, not twice, but every time you call. Tell Him Why You Don't Like Her. They are not partner micro-managing tools. It sings a familiar refrain, and it so neatly echoes what your Jerkbrain sounds like or sounded like before you started getting treatment for your depression. But its still a good idea to evaluate your relationship and whether your Dude is amenable to changing his behaviour when youve expressed a desire for him to Quit Doing That Thing, and what that might mean about how much he respects you. He is not interested in you. renovate the bathrooms, start an advice columnit doesnt have to be terrible. I thought we were going to back off on this thing where you are my trainer., What did you eat when I was out of town? Dont really have a list, but it was delicious. Cant think of a more clear way to phrase it. Its all a blur of low-level bad or just unsatisfying, without anything kicking you in the ass to say GET OUT OF THERE. By the time our relationship came to an end, we fought about the stupidest things, because we were both really fighting over who got to decide how I behaved. Its like, I am going to have a short break from the environment that is making me so unhappy. Exercise doesnt have to hurt to be effective. I have many fond memories of him. Things that actually help, like making me food, or cuddling me and telling me how great I am, or watching funny videos with me, or playing Who Let the Dogs Out (I dont care if its the Worst Song of All Time, it ALWAYS improves my mood). I dont think all relationships that arent in it for better or for worse and in sickness or in health are bad, but I do think that makes it a more casual relationship and one you shouldnt rely on. 10 He Doesn't Ask You Questions. Im also in a place where I need to learn to feel good about myself and yet am in a home environment where I hear waaaay more criticism, scrutiny, and you should/shouldnts instead of support. One of my partners was doing something like this for a spell there. To be honest, I almost wonder if he said that because he felt he needed to say something (because maybe peanut-butter and chocolate chip sandwiches arent the most common meal and sometimes its hard not to comment on that?) Talk to your boyfriend in a quiet, calm setting. They may backslide occasionally, especially when you have moments when you struggle, but when you say Hey, I got this, they are going to immediately apologize and back off. Is it because youve neglected a task you said youd do? That does not sound like respect. Founded in 2010, Thought Catalog is owned and operated by The Thought & Expression Company, Inc. For over a decade, we've been at the bleeding edge of media, pioneering an infrastructure for creatives to flourish both artistically and financially. until I stop caring. He has literally never done this. Its more like, I am too physically exhausted to self-sabotage by not getting enough sleep. You really loved him for the way he was always kissing you on your face, holding your hand when crossing a busy street, or shopping in a supermarket. 2) Even if being prompted to do things like eat better food, exercise to work off stress etc was beneficial to you..its still wrong and bad to do it without an agreement, ESPECIALLY when the promptee has explicitly asked the other person to not do it. Make sure that he has an end game in mind and that he is willing to fight for you as you are for him. I only do that in ways that SHE has approved, and that weve mutually decided would be comfortable and appropriate for me to do. That is exactly the right way to help, I think. For example, depression is very tiring in itself. That looks like progress to me. A few weeks ago I started to notice that, well, he kind of smelled bad. I'd always known that my boyfriend was a bit insecure due to his previous partners cheating on him, but I never realized how often I would text him during the day to let him know who I was with, what I was doing, where I was, and other small things. Once the facts are straight we can deal with the issue. Doesnt mean partners have to stay, or even should stay. One of the most aggravating things for me is that I dont naturally have positive regard for my body outside of what it can do I think I so completely absorbed the idea that I was physically unattractive as a young person that some kind of athleticism seemed like the only remaining possibility for my body to have any kind of worth. LW, I think the Captain has a very good point about how you should be proud of the progress youve made the fact that you know that you are a person who can help themself and that you dont need someone else to be your Life Mechanic is a pretty damn good place to be, and some people never make it there. The important element? He used to love spending time with you and he always had a smile on his face when the two of you were together. (Side note, I knew Id keep my current partner when, about 3 hours after telling him about how I wanted to be healthier and asking him to help me, he walked in on me stress-eating a peanut-butter and chocolate chip sandwich after a particularly stressful phone call, and his only comment was You know, thatd taste better if you gave it 15 seconds in the microwave. Thats love, folks.). I hope you get out much faster than I was able to. And Im never one to turn down a good Jedi telehug, so thanks for that too. But thats the best I can think of that might be of some help. He wants LW to do these things so he doesnt have to deal with depressed LW (he thinks). Independently from what you decide, be aware of that. OP: it may be illuminating to think very hard about the actual division of labor in your household. Have trouble concentrating to work? Then he can treat you even worse. also: breakfast for dinner is awesome and should be a part of every week Unless you dont want it to be, in which case it shouldnt! ME. My father was an abusive asshole and Mum leaving after 30 years was the best thing she could have done (other than leave earlier). You know everything he said is true. And you know what? Which in turn meant that every time he took me to a surprise, he could justify it by saying that I always had fun so I just needed to trust him. Theres a difference. This is emotionally manipulative behavior. Can you talk with your therapist about what options are there for you and work with them to make a plan? Some of the things the LW mentioned (such as helping with chores) certainly could affect the boyfriend, while there are other things (the LWs exercise and food intake) that do NOT affect the boyfriend. For example, the LWs partner can say, Hey, want to play tag with me later?, want to go kite-flying?, Lets make smoothies!, Shall we tape sponges to our feet today and pretend were in a roller derby? or insert other fun thing here that gets the job done. Congratulations on all the work you have done and everything you have accomplished. Again, fine line. I only do that in ways that SHE has approved, and that weve mutually decided would be comfortable and appropriate for me to do. My husband is at his parents place this weekend, and the first thing I did was make two meals worth of GF pasta with homemade red sauce my husband is diabetic, and the GF pasta does a number on his blood sugar, so we very rarely eat it. Maybe Im projecting too much from my own experiences because your boyfriend sounds like my jerkbrain incarnate (btw, my jerkbrain is interested in my eating and exercise mostly because it thinks I should lose weight, hmmm), but this letter bummed me out because it sounds like you are making some great personal progress and your boyfriend is sandbagging you instead of giving you high fives and wtf is that about? If your boyfriend doesnt respect your new boundaries (hope he does! Im rooting for you, LW, because this was one of the toughest ongoing issues in our relationship for a while, and I had to show him that what works as treatment for some people cant be applied to everyone broadly and without that persons permission. What would you like me to do or say? We will come times ask specifics if I see you doing X or Y would you like me to say or do anything?, We will also talk about our fears: I dont want to come across as a nagging partner or like Im your mom, so Im comfortable saying this, but only once.. During that time, I had a b/f who sounds a lot like your b/f he knew that if only I would do X, Y, Z and Q things that he specifically told me to do in the way and with the frequency that he specifically dictated, Id feel so much better! But when theres anger, that flips the whole dynamic on its head. Hell, take steps to meet some new people anyway. You know, thatd taste better if you gave it 15 seconds in the microwave., Ive asked him to stop trying to get me to change, that you cant change other people, but he refuses to accept that, to the point that he says its the stupidest thing hes ever heard. Some guys want to be in a serious relationship; others dont. Dont be accusatory or judgmental when you do this. I wish our society did not have such a negative view of women who have low moods. Especially when someone you love isnt ready or isnt currently up to taking steps for their own well-being. I hate to jump on the You Should Probably Dump This Guy dogpile, but something you wrote in your first paragraph really sticks out to me, LW. It doesnt sound like you two ever consensually negotiated a relationship with unequal roles and a power imbalance, nor does it sound like what you want. All good things. They are not feelings police tools. Depression is a mix of the chemical/biological and the situational, while youre working to treat the illness and silence the mean scripts from your Jerkbrain, you might find great improvements in your lifeif you freed yourself from a constant external source of criticism. Thank you for the link. People who genuinely are that logical will tie themselves in knots trying to analyze their own feelings. He just got bored, moved country and started again without divorcing. Feeling frustrated with behaviors that contribute to a bad situation? When someone we know cheated on a beloved partner, he had trouble wrapping his head around why someone would possibly do that. Emotions *exist* and have a massive effect on our wellbeing, emotions dont just disappear if you have assessed them and decided that logically you should not be feeling that way (at least mine sure dont! 3) when I said, I walked for twenty minutes today! That person is more invested in control and in being right than in respecting you. He says, You should exercise. A year ago, that would have maybe resulted in you shuffling your feet and cycling through guilt about how yes, you should probably exercise but you just cant. (Autocorrect desperately wanted that to read emotionally swankier), And even if they *were* your child it wouldnt be cool to be emotionally spanking them (love that term. What then should you do when your boyfriend stops making an effort? Make sure your tone of voice and body language are completely neutral, because if they arent, what you say wont come across as simply wanting information but instead will seem like an attack on his character which could lead you nowhere at all. He used to love celebrating special occasions like birthdays, anniversaries or any important date in your life; but now these days seem to be forgotten too. Because that kind of encouragement would have felt patronizing to him, were he receiving it. He doesnt seem to be enjoying himself around you anymore now. When your partner stops maintaining your relationship, that spark can easily die out as dissatisfaction and resentment builds up." Here are seven gestures that your partner may stop doing if your. Exercise will make you physically exhausted as well as mentally, and can make your moods tank even harder. Youre should-ing all over yourself. Stuart Smalley (aka Sen. Al Franken). http://fathom.lib.uchicago.edu/1/77777760800/, https://captainawkward.com/2011/11/05/question-130-my-partner-is-depressed-and-i-am-drowning/, https://captainawkward.com/2013/01/05/429-430-when-depression-is-contagious/, Follow CaptainAwkward.com on WordPress.com. . What can I say to make him want me again? Stop the "blame game" and examine your part in disputes or conflict. And when he lost a bunch of weight as a side effect of a new medication, suddenly all of his insecurities about it were transferred to passive-aggressively fatshaming me. Probably better to stop and say why am I angry about this?. Going from being in a rough place to feeling better is a huge accomplishment, but it can be a tender one too. Everything I do in therapy has been trying to build confidence, motivation, and self-respect from within and stop relying exclusively on it externally, and then I go home and grapple with someone telling me that I need to do these things to be better. Usually in the interest of my mental and physical health, but also a little bit because living with someone who has panic attacks can be exhausting especially when they dont always take the best care of themselves (guilty). If your guy used to care and suddenly cant be bothered, thats a red flag. Belittling my feelings. It was tough (and frankly weird) for a bit, but he stopped and were fine. Good luck LW, and I hope you get to see how much better life can be when someone isnt actively holding back your awesomeness. Thank you. Logic and reason are critical thinking tools. Depression. Just as your spouse needs time to heal from their alcohol addiction, you also need time to recover from the emotional and mental traumas of addiction. Accepting you means accepting that. Part of why its so difficult to break up with someone without a Huge Serious Reason is that without one, theres no defined point at which you MUST do it. Reasonable. 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