After you declare war on Morocco, focus on landing an army on Sicily and taking down the Spanish and Moroccan holdings in Africa. Although its tricky to avoid, its possible to increase your chances to keep Fezzan alive long enough to let it fall into your sphere of influence. Basically, you get some strong allies for yourself. To repeat some more basic info (so you wont have to hop pages all the time), this, We interrupt this guide for a brief section on damage control, From 1500 onwards, its time to fight anything, anywhere, all the time. How good is your economy? I just needed to buy enough time to take Tunis/Crete out of the equation. This might not be as helpful as all the comments but I'll just post my observations: I've noticed ai Ottomans tends to overexert themselves near late game with nonstop wars. Press J to jump to the feed. They guarantee the independence of Medina and Cyprus while Hejaz and Fadl are their vassals. From 1500 onwards, its time to fight anything, anywhere, all the time. In this area, you may want to expand recklessly to the point that it nearly breaks your nation. And actually, 173k is quite a lot for AI Ottomans in 1609, I think. In my game, Austria has been beaten down and is pretty tiny, Russia is getting slowly annexed by me and the Malmuks aren't doing much. . Make your way towards the Holy Roman Empire to go there where the real-life Ottomans couldnt: Vienna. , that you get when youve conquered the southern coast of the Arabian Peninsula. I also guaranteed the Moroccans, to prevent Spain from consolidating its foothold in the Meditteranean. I would recommend defensive idea group and drill your armies !!!! If you are humanist support rebels in suppressive countries, if you are an absolute monarchy destroy the revolution. its either that or biga), sinope, amasya. I played a Russia campaign a couple of weeks back, and attacked the Ottomans a lot late mid-game to late game, and I used my ally Spain to crush their armies (they easily won battles against the Ottos while being outnumbered 2:1). A mysterious list, a small Hungarian town, and unimaginable horror. i play a lot vs ottomans playing as hungary, which is weaker than poland/plc, but very similar. Last game i played as france and struggled to fight the ottoman military, simply from the overwhelming manpower. This war can be tricky, so it can be useful to curry favors with important allies that can distract the Spanish, like France, Russia, Britain, or even Bohemia, Scandinavia, or Naples. If you get really lucky, others will follow your lead and you can get a huge dogpile going. I'd suggest playing more aggressive in your conquests, or try to botch them early on because that always works best. It just depends on actually winning the first war. Even if you don't plan to attack them, using this tatic will slow their development as you keep them from taking Constantinople (or Byzantium, or Istanbul, if you will). They hit a mid game power peak typically that's hard to beat, this is not the best time to try fighting them. The Serbians, Bulgarians and Greeks can easily be swayed to revolt if you let the Ottomans drown in war exhaustion, keep them occupied, wait for the rebels to rise up, then sign a peace and let them deal with the problem. If you had a strong Russia, France, and Austria. When dealing with a large nation, core conquest is a very viable tactic. Ideally, you managed to cripple the Spanish armies trapped in Morocco, so the Spanish may not put up much of a fight. Thanks for the help :). Integrate the vassal after theyve cored all of Sudan for you since hanging on to Ethiopia will be trouble for them. Alternatively, you may be able to ally with Russia. Just like in actual history, France and the Ottomans make quite natural allies. Build strong Alliances around the Ottomans so you can call them in when they are weak. You can now complete the missions. At this point, the war is won. You can also shoot forParisian Pasha. I took most of the Levant, snaked my way to Medina, got some more land in the Nile Delta, and cleaned up my African borders. Thing is, I don't think there is an easy fix to this because, as I said, optimal play happenes as a consequence of how the game is designed. Most states are weak, meaning you can diplomatically conquer most of them.. Once youve taken the east coast of Arabia, you can complete the mission toConquer Al-Ahsa. As many as you can. This campaign in EU4 is designed around a slower playstyle by myself, Chewy, and doing my best to exp. Once they do, you attack. I just needed to buy enough time to take Tunis/Crete out of the equation. As any war would just be you and them vs the Ottoman. How to beat Ottomans as Poland It is 1505, I annexed Danzig, Mazovia, Lithuania as a junior partner, and Austrians as my allies. Congratulations on restoring the Caliphate! I'm not sure how much warscore triggers the call for peace, but I'd stay below 50% if you can. Normally it's about 100-120k? Hungary, Austria, Poland) for free. If you annex them, you can no longer get the -10% Aggressive Expansion bonus. This will deplete their manpower to zero, cause them to take out loans they can't repay and raise their WE to 20 very quickly. Simply declare war for your permanent claim on Caffa, and take your cores back. I can understand the complaints about micro-managing, and it's especially true if you're colonial, but that's a consequence of choice in some sense. This is part 3 of the Ottomans made easy EU4 guide. Keep some stacks in Europe and the Middle-East, to combat any Spanish troops should they decide to do a naval invasion. Personally, to me all of this necessary micro is the worse aspect of the game and what drives me away from it the most. I wasn't attacked even once during my sieges and once I scored 100% I liberated some countries and absorbed enough provinces to get me to around 100% over extension. Let's play Europa Universalis IV (EU4) as the Ottomans! . Also wipe the troops they will continue building in Europe before they can coalesce into an army. If you annex them, you can no longer get the -10% Aggressive Expansion bonus. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. You can easily take down some enemy stacks trying to avoid your blob army for some additional WE. Here are some of the issues I encountered, as well as how you can act on them, should the situation arise. Then you declare war on Byzantium a few years after 1444 and pray the Ottomans do so too after you. You wont gain cores on them, butDagestan is a province you will need to retake the Caliphate. What can you guys suggest? Oh Hungary, you and your developed land filled with claims which just so, unfortunately, sit right next to me. So, feel free to jump around in this guide to have it suit your campaign. Are the Mamluks still around? . Moreover, we need a Moroccan province, Ifni. I'd take Constantinople and Edirne so you have a land block of the Bosporus and the Ottos can't move their troops through. . By giving them Mosul, I was able to vassalize them. I decided to take Crete as well, but not yet more of Dalmatia. All rights reserved. JavaScript is disabled. The Great Horde is a great nation to do this with. You must log in or register to reply here. When the achievement is complete, you move to a new campaign, the year when you end is not important. Also always have a military advisor, either a 5% discipline one or a +10% morale one. Wait for them to declare on someone on the south side of the Bosporus and then get your fleet into the channel, declare war, occupy everything in the Balkans and win! Make sure you get enough ships. By now, the Ottomans are a powerhouse that dominates the Middle East and the Eastern Mediterranean. Aside from forcing the Russians to take a long way around, your imperial heart will be safe, which works miracles for your prosperity. aside from just taking quantity ideas myself, what can i do to counter this? With a strong navy you can win half the war (or more accurately, 25%, because that's what you'll get for fully blockading them). Set them as a nation of interest and pay close attention to their wars. Meanwhile, you shouldve gotten Sicily sieged down by now. Stay at war until they lose Egypt, Syria, and Greece. However, prevent the Russians from getting any land south of the mountains by taking out any Georgian state that might still remain. Otto was huge though and Lithuania was getting routed, but I knew that was going to happen. When you control these cities, you gain the permanent modifierCustodian of the Holy Cities. They're frankly not nearly as difficult to beat as commentary on this sub would have you believe. Can you afford mercs? The longer you drag the war out the better. disaster which hurts your technological advancements tremendously. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. After Military Tech 16 (I believe?) Ottomans tend to move a 50k stack alone , they move it without having some reinforcements nearby.So you can easily attack this 50k stack and maybe stack wipe it. . Make sure to take the cities ofAdenandMasqatas soon as you can, since you need them to restore the Caliphate. A no CB to vassalize Byzantium, followed by a straightforward war with ottomans to reclaim Byzantium cores is a popular move. Siege down the fort in Malaga before swarming over the Spanish mainland. Watch if you can either go around it by declaring war on an ally, vassalizing the state instead, or ask it kindly to break its alliance using the Great Power status. The intent is for you to play along and improve your skills and understanding of the game, and have fun all the while! You can also take some holdings on the Arabian peninsula to make future conquest easier. If you're lucky, you might start a dog pile. Ally other countries that have navies. Let me know your thoughts in the comments! 33% for ottoman ideas and 50% for quantity. You deal with their numbers by stackwiping their troops with quality and composition. After youve wreaked Havoc in Arabia, Africa, and Persia, its time to confront Spain. Imo wars in eu4 are less about fighting and more about sieging, especially later in the game with the Imperialism CB where you need to siege your opponents capital down asap for easy WS and WE. However, fabricate claims on Palermo and Messina to make it a lot cheaper, should you need more land. With everyone on different sides, and AI sucks at doing multi front wars, Ottoman will usually go for one country instead of everyone at once, allowing the rests of the nations to siege freely. Play smart, have forts in mountains/hills/swamps. For your finances throughout this run, trade is instrumental. Although they may be weak, theyre sitting on at least one province we need to restore the Caliphate Cordoba- and they may have taken Sicily, where we need two provinces: Palermo and Messina. Revanchism might have something to do with that https://eu4.paradoxwikis.com/Warfare#Revanchism. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Screenshots would be helpful, or at the bare minimum a list of your and the Ottomans' alliances, with some rough idea of their strength and position. Definitely the Sultan of Rumneeds you to core Rome, Moscow, and Istanbul. I've hit them several times as the PLC in my most recent games after the 1600s, they're not invincible no matter how many troops they have. You are using an out of date browser. Yeah, they aren't the scourge of Christendom for nothing. They just can't grow to the same extent if they don't have Constantinople. Look around Ottoman. Just take the province when you fight a war with the state that happens to own it, like Sindh or Gujarat. You can also expand into the Horn of Africa at this point in time. It was something like 250/month ,but thanks to owning both North and South America I had huge treasury plus huge monthly income so it was no big deal. Ideally, you managed to cripple the Spanish armies trapped in Morocco, so the Spanish may not put up much of a fight. Proceed to stomp the Ottomans, and get them to return all Byzantine cores. The country is mountainous and can be tricky to conquer or divert resources to, especially if you need them against Spain. Take at least, More importantly, the land you had to take to unify the Caliphate should have made you a formidable power by now. I declared war on Morocco, which they had guaranteed. It's the transport ships that give me headache. Eventually, they won't be able to sustain these wars as efficiently from the constant lack of manpower and they'll be taking loans for merc armies. Youll gain claims on this area with the missionConquer Mocha, that you get when youve conquered the southern coast of the Arabian Peninsula. Who are their rivals? The entire army of Tunis or 10k expensive boys? Next, focus on supporting rebels and destabilizing them. I'd probably invade Ottomans when they're busy fighting multiple wars and you might even be lucky enough for separatists to break off small chunks of their empire. . Avoid tough wars by using Spains diplomatic commitments! Everybody will then gang up on them afterwards, leading to a downward spiral. After you dealt with the Mamluks, youre the only Great Power left in Arabia. If there's any blob near him, they usually have him rivaled, allowing easy alliance. Rinse and repeat to make them a non-factor eventually. and since my goals are quite small and achievable I usually. What military ideas do they have? ThroughHumanistideas andTradeideas, you can make your country less prone to revolt and wealthier. If you need a repeatable method, dont annex Morocco after youre done. I'd recommend not getting too much warscore. Punch Syria out of them if you can. If Byzantium was at war with the Ottomans, you now become the war leader and can call in all of your strong allies (e.g. With everyone on different sides, and AI sucks at doing multi front wars, Ottoman will usually go for one country instead of everyone at once, allowing the rests of the nations to siege freely. However, history wont stop us! 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